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  07-05-2008, 06:13 AM   #81 (permalink)
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I have an extraordinary chance to witness a wide spectrum of methods children are being raised, because I know all of their parents (I grew up in a 300p village), so its easy to see how certain kids were raised, and how did the parents raise them. The reason I set media and peer pressure as a distant second to parenting, is that without exceptions, parents that actively raise their children and maintain a strong influence until the kid leaves for college, grow up into functional members of society, fun, polite, and generally the awesome kind of people. Out of these 300 people, Im actually witnessing an emergence of two potential world champions or even olympic champions in the future. Can you believe that?

On the flipside, there are also families whos kids have a weak link to their parents, a weak influence from their families, and peer pressure along with some media influence is allowed to have a much higher effect on them, and they are drinking way too much, they are borderline stupid and they will grow up into insignificant idiots who will never leave the tha village and will spend their lives as lumberjacks with the only hobby being vodka and cheap beer, beating up their wive(s) and kids.
I guess I see where you're coming from here - the thing I'm going to note is that in North American society there are two things that differ our experiences.

1. Prevalance of single parent households or parents being forced to work multiple jobs or shifts to pay for the childs education, whatever

2. How big peer pressure and school environments are for kids here.

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Its arguable. From my standpoint, I see it as a jab at the young, male videogamer demographic and Jade as their ultimate fantasy. I think you know the attitude of virgin, young, male, kiddiefvcks who, upon the presence of a girl say something along the lines of "A GURL? ORLY?!" or "tits or GTFO!"
I don't know, I would be on your side a lot more if they hadn't given Jade the inability to pronounce the word 'creative'. I mean, if they were going for what you said, it would make more sense to have Jade as how she actually is and show the gamers falling all over themselves. In this case, she shows up, and when she finds herself unable to speak she does what women are really good for, sucking cock, mirite.


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This is absolutely NOT the case here. Where the hell do you live? Canada? It was supposed to be a civilised country! I cant even believe sh!t like that happening here. People even go as far as subtly include girls into activities they would "normally" or "obviously" not partake. For example, back in the highschool we had a number of paintball events between schools, clubs and whatnot, and it was required that the 5 man team had at least 2 girls. We always took it as a norm. Obviously, you will not see men cheerleading, but generally, sports excluded, theres no difference between men and women. The competitive element probably comes in career life, but thats another topic.
I think this comes down to a cultural difference. Sexism is fucking rife here, and it starts at a very, very early age. If you buy a toy for a little girl, it's pink. Stripper poles are available for nine+ year old girls, Ubisoft developed the Imagine: Babies line for young girls to get into games, and so on and so forth. (Can you tell I'm not a fan of Ubisoft? They are fucking sexist chodes. They gave us Imagine: Baaaybeeez, the Frag Dolls, and their part of the Raymond controversy. Suck on it, Ubisoft.)

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Its called shovelware for a reason, yaknow?
That doesn't mean I can't bitch about how shit and sexist it is, though. I mean, I'm not going to get all furious and write a 10,000 word essay on Livejournal. But I'm not going to twiddle my thumbs and make excuses either.

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To a certain extent, it does. These nuances even define or influence our taste in food, you cant be certain they wont influence our taste in games.
Found a study - I bookmarked it but its not showing up, it's in the Feminist Gamers - Women in Gaming category link I posted for AA, that showed that Grand Theft Auto was the second most popular game for women gamers (first was the Sims). So I mean, that's a pretty interesting stat right there.

Keep in mind that most consumption of games for ladies is secondary: A girl might not head out to the store and pick up a PS3 if there's absolutely no marketing concerning her for it, but her boyfriend might pick it up and then pass her the controller. So it's hard to nail down stats on women playing games since its usually a shared household thing.

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You dont see game developers marketing to actively search for employees anyway. Men and women are at an equal position at the start. It just happens that men outweight women at that line at a 10000:1 ratio ("lulz").
Due to socialization.

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It does, thats the whole point. If a male first notices ones appearance and then shoots for details, its in his basic instincts and psychology, would you really be surprised if the guys behind the desks basically put their fantasies on proverbial paper?
EVA's outfit, I don't think, was supposed to be sexy full stop. It was supposed to be sexy and yet practical, something that an actual combatant spy would wear. You'll notice she's wearing boots, not heels, she zips up her suit when she needs to take care of business, so on and so forth. it's little things like that that change the context for me - which is why I get so annoyed when I see Ada's outfit because what the fuck. It's attractive if you're going to an evening party, not if you're storming a village to kill some dudes. Especially because IIRC (not sure on this, havent played 4 in about a year), Ada didn't know Leon was there. Also keep in mind that images of Ada was used to titillate gamers "Oh look at this hot piece guys!" and EVA was just part of the cast - it felt more natural. EVA also SPOILER ALERT I THINK comes back in 4 as an older lady. Despite Ada taking a fatal injury that scarred her in 2, she's practically unchanged except to become more appealing and sexy to dudes playing.


EDIT: http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dl...314/-1/LOCAL17

There's the study to the aforementioned link. Half of all boys and one third of all girls (which isn't a wide gap) enjoy playing violent video games for anger management, and lots of girls love the GTA series, ranking it second overall in popularity for girls.

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