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  07-05-2008, 07:19 PM   #85 (permalink)
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Not really. We are encountering the rise of the same problem. Nevertheless, you simplified and summed up exactly what I was talking about- here-

= Bad parenting leads to

Weak resistance to outside factors.
The only thing I disagree with here is that being a single parent household or working a lot of jobs is bad parenting. It's neccessary to keep a household afloat financially, and a lot of people consider living in a homeless shelter much worse than your child having access to Perez Hilton or the telly while you're at work all day.

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Your problem is the fact that you think the comic described Jane as such a person, whereas if you look at it from another perspective, the comic describes the "typical" (note the tags) videogamers wet dream. The more you actually think about it, the more you see that the comic had nothing to do with Jade, and instead put down the nerdy adolescent boys who "talk tough" over VOIP and internet (yeah, I know I have to tread carefully here). I dont know how to describe those kids but with a word "retard".
This argument has one massive flaw: the comic was a deliberate retaliation of Ubisoft pushing the "beautiful" Jade Raymond as the forefront of the Assassin's Creed marketing. The comic totally has a context, it was a big middle finger to Ubisoft.

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Ahem... do you really want me to re-write the whole "modding" thing again?
Again, girls I've talked to about this find that in grade school, a lot of teachers genuinely believe that boys are better at math and science and then push this into the curriculum, its impossible to find independently run science sites meant for girls unless you really dig deep, and in high school guidance counselors will guide women away from tech courses and boys in tech courses tend to get the mob mentality when there are only one or two girls in the class. This may be a North American problem, but its a huge one insofar as getting women into tech - this is why companies are beginning to sponsor scholarships to get women into certain fields; counteracting society.

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She wears boots NOT because shes a spy, but because she rides a MOTORCYCLE! I dont have the time to review cutscenes, but I think when she was Tatyana, she wore something a sleeper agent would wear. Skirt, heels, et cetera.

Out of place? Yes. Sexist? How? Objectification? Every good looking character is being done that to. Leon in RE4 included.
Exactly. EVA's outfit makes sense - she rides a motorcycle, is mobile, is generally moving with Snake and being all badass on her bike, so it makes perfect sense that she is wearing boots. But somehow, heels have been the defacto outfit for women in games, and I'm not really sure how or when some guy considered heels to be 'badass'. And I don't find Tatyana's outfit of heels and skirt to be even remotely sexist, because it's the outfit of a seductress living in a facility. It makes sense for her to wear heels and a skirt - if she wore that outfit as EVA it'd break immersion.

And objectification is sexist - and I find Chris's bulging muscles pretty objectifying as well. Leon's a lithe guy wearing a tight t-shirt, but Ada has a slit that shows off her legs, cleavage, heels... The scales are starting to tip, and I'll be interested to see how much beefcake there is by games by 2020.

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I think she knew. But Im still standing by my case, that she was there as an agent, and not a merc. In fact, if you take the whole castle and the whole medieval crap into account, she was PERFECTLY suited, her dress was very suitable considering the context.
Is this an Assignment: Ada thing? I haven't gotten around to playing those yet. But if she was at all mobile, wearing a dress and heels is a terrible idea. You cannot run in heels unless you are Anna Wintour. Heels are made for one purpose - to push up your ass and calves.

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If so many girls really play the game, then they dont mind its often "less than polite" portrayal of genders (women are weak and usually work as whores, men are stupid crooks.
The point I'm trying to make is despite the fact that GTA is a pretty male oriented game and cast (The main members of the cast are mostly dudes, I think, and a lot of the marketing was directed towards guys), women are still picking up and playing. There's no barrier that stops a woman from picking up a 360 controller, its
the absolute lack of marketing - I'll go more into this because Im about to respond to AA.
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