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Hagee is a Pastor who believes in what he preaches, and he only teaches what the Bible says.
That doesn't give him a free pass for making such hateful, ...
Hagee is a Pastor who believes in what he preaches, and he only teaches what the Bible says.
That doesn't give him a free pass for making such hateful, vitriolic comments. That'd be like if he worked in some business, was interviewing a black person for a job and said "The company manual explicity forbids us from hiring Ni**ers. You people prduce a higher crime rate then whites and are prone to being less educated and lazy. But hey, dont hate on me, I'm just following what the good book says."
Just because he believes what he says, which I agree with you on, doesn't then make it "ok".
Like how the Jews bring all their troubles on themselves: "It was the disobedience and rebellion of the Jews, God's chosen people, to their covenantal responsibility to serve only the one true God, Jehovah, that gave rise to the opposition and persecution that they experienced beginning in Canaan and continuing to this very day... Their own rebellion had birthed the seed of antisemitism that would arise and bring destruction to them for centuries to come.... it rises from the judgment of God upon his rebellious chosen people."
And then he backpedals with THIS quote, though he very clearly said "to this very day": "I learn from the Bible that the children of Israel were punished by God for their iniquities. But I do not presume to explain Jewish suffering in modern times. I only seek to alleviate it."
Yeah, you're healing lots of wounds, buddy.
And about the Catholic Church comments: Hagee claimed in March 2008, “I’ve learned that some have accused me of referring to the Catholic Church as the ‘great whore,’ of Revelations. This is a serious misinterpretation of my words. When I refer to the ‘great whore,’ I am referring to the apostate church, namely those Christians who embrace the false cult system of Jew-hatred and antisemitism.”
Donohue rejected Hagee's explanation as disingenuous: "Anti-Catholic Protestants have long labeled the Catholic Church "The Great Whore", and no amount of spin can change that reality. No one who knows anything about the term would suggest otherwise."
Furthermore, Hagee did identify [the Great Whore of] Babylon as Rome in his book From Daniel to Doomsday (1999), in a way that melded reference to the Roman Empire and the Roman Catholic Church: "The evidence would point to Rome...It was Rome where Nero wrapped Christians in oily rags and hung them on lampposts, setting them ablaze to light his gardens. It was Rome that orchestrated the Crusades where Jews were slaughtered...It was Rome that orchestrated the Inquisitions throughout the known world where "heretics" were burned at the stake or pulled in half on torture racks because they were not Roman Catholic."
And his views on New Orleans: During the same September 18, 2006 edition of National Public Radio's Fresh Air, Hagee said Hurricane Katrina was an act of God, punishing New Orleans for "a level of sin that was offensive to God." He referred to a "homosexual parade" held on the date the hurricane struck and this was proof "of the judgment of God against the city of New Orleans."
These aren't by any stretch of my imagination "ok" things to say, no matter WHAT book he's reading from. Not only are they vile comments themselves, but they stir up hatred and violence in the people who listen to him towards these groups.
He recurringly refers to Iraq as Iran, recently called Putin the president of Germany, and insisted that we need to establish military bases in the Soviet Union
Thoughts?
When did this happen?
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Originally Posted by Gray Fox
I question him now more than ever
Apparently hes rejected John Hagees endorsment. Hes showing weakness. Flip flopping on his beliefs, because people are criticizing.
I've seen a fair few McCain speeches and interviews on a range of networks (mainly CNN & Fox however). The only slip-ups of that ilk I have seen were a couple of occasions where he said Iran instead of Iraq (and vice-versa) only to immediately correct his own error.
Either way, looks like liberal media and academia have decided that the only way to beat McCain, seeing as Obama is absolute dogshit on the issues, is to poke fun of his old age. Good luck with that ploy, as there are a lot of senior-aged voters who won't take too kindly to muck-raking someone due to their age. But hey, it seems like Obama is primarily aiming at the youth vote, which would be an easier bet given the clear pro-Left bias in academia these days.
McCain's campaign was declared dead by all accounts before the primaries had even started. So yeah, he was totally getting an unfair leg-up from the media. *facepalms*
Barack Obama was the one who avoided fair scrutiny on mainstream media. That is, of course, until the issues about his church came to light, predominantly thanks to Fox. Other, more Left-leaning, networks held off until it became clear that the talking points just weren't going to go away.
From that point on, the shitstorm started and Obama was finally afforded the scrutiny he needed. I say that he needed it because if people don't know who he is and what he stands for, they're not in a position to make an informed decision on whether or not he is a suitable candidate. So in a roundabout way, he might end up wanting to thank Reverend Wright and company for getting that ball rolling.
As for the silly gaffes? Some of them were courtesy of old quotes being exploited (such as that "I need to be educated on the economy" soundbite from 3 years ago), and others were pure semantics. In the name of equality, perhaps it would be good to expose some Obama fuck-ups too, so here goes:
"If I had heard any of these [controversial Reverend Wright] statements, I probably would have walked out... they were not statements that I heard when I was in church."
- Barack Obama
Well, two statements really. In the second clip you can hear nothing but the shitty ass music. If he is lying nobody can fucking hear it. Great source, you must have spent all night looking for it.
The first clip doesn't prove a god damn thing either. There is more than one thing considered to be controversial in this nation. The fact that Obama witnessed the church making "controversial statements" does not mean he was present for statements regarding Clinton's being white, or oppression of blacks, or anything of that caliber. A good journalist might have asked "What kind of controversial statements are you referring to?" But nowhere in that clip does Obama consent to racist beliefs, or being present when racist beliefs were expressed in his church.
I'd also like to point out that in light of the flooding in the midwestern United States Senator Obama has dispatched some of his own campaigning staff and volunteers to the affected regions to assist in rebuilding efforts as well as flooding control. His website was changed; instead of a box allowing for donations to his campaign on the front page of the website, the box was replaced with a donation center for victims of the flooding in the midwest. Obama has since gone to the affected regions to personnally assist in the control effort.
McCain has stated that "our hearts go out to the flood victims, an those affected by the flooding".
Well, two statements really. In the second clip you can hear nothing but the shitty ass music. If he is lying nobody can fucking hear it. Great source, you must have spent all night looking for it.
Translation? I didn't like what I heard, so I shut it out completely.
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Originally Posted by Dr. William Birkin
The first clip doesn't prove a god damn thing either. There is more than one thing considered to be controversial in this nation. The fact that Obama witnessed the church making "controversial statements" does not mean he was present for statements regarding Clinton's being white, or oppression of blacks, or anything of that caliber. A good journalist might have asked "What kind of controversial statements are you referring to?" But nowhere in that clip does Obama consent to racist beliefs, or being present when racist beliefs were expressed in his church.
On the law of averages, a reasonable person would acknowledge that he would have been in attendance for at least one inflammatory rant to come from Reverend Wright's mouth, if not all of them. Regularly attending the man's church for in excess of two decades, having him wed you to your wife and christen your children... gives him very little scope to plead ignorance, which is exactly what he did. Racial politics - the last thing Obama can afford to play if he wants any remote chance of winning a general election. Severing ties with Wright (well, he claims to have done so) is a start, but what about the other undesirables he has consorted with? People such as Bill Ayers are scum, and Obama's associating with them does his campaign a great disservice.
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Originally Posted by Dr. William Birkin
I'd also like to point out that in light of the flooding in the midwestern United States Senator Obama has dispatched some of his own campaigning staff and volunteers to the affected regions to assist in rebuilding efforts as well as flooding control. His website was changed; instead of a box allowing for donations to his campaign on the front page of the website, the box was replaced with a donation center for victims of the flooding in the midwest. Obama has since gone to the affected regions to personnally assist in the control effort.
McCain has stated that "our hearts go out to the flood victims, an those affected by the flooding".
Nice.
Immaterial to the initial argument, but I'll play along. The Obama campaign is, financially and numerically, in a much better position to help out. But the main motivation for the aid is that the flooding has occurred right smack dab in his backyard, the mid-West region.
Maybe it would've been nice to see John McCain offer up a nicer gesture than a few words of goodwill and the hope of better tidings, even if it was just a ploy to try and win some votes. Obama wins some brownie points over him for this issue, but let's see how he goes on matters of policy.
Having read through his website and noticed the pro-protectionist stance he has taken on trade, it does not sit too well with him on a global scale. The other nations in on the NAFTA agreement won't be too pleased with his stances, nor will other key trading partners in Europe, Asia and Australia. Obama said he wants to enhance America's reputation globally, rectifying some of the damage done by the Bush administration. Protectionist trade policy will not aid this ploy, and will get some key strategic and economic allies offside.
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